Comments on: Five Things and a Question http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/ "If not now, when?" Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:12:06 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Antibush http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-2503 Antibush Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:38:29 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-2503 Bush goes ballistic about other countries being evil and dangerous, because they have weapons of mass destruction. But, he insists on building up even a more deadly supply of nuclear arms right here in the US. What do you think? Why has bush turned our country from a country of hope and prosperity to a country of belligerence and fear. What happened to us, people? When did we become such lemmings? We have lost friends and influenced no one. No wonder most of the world thinks we suck. Thanks to what george bush has done to our country during the past three years, we do! Bush goes ballistic about other countries being evil and dangerous, because they have weapons of mass destruction. But, he insists on building up even a more deadly supply of nuclear arms right here in the US. What do you think? Why has bush turned our country from a country of hope and prosperity to a country of belligerence and fear.
What happened to us, people? When did we become such lemmings?
We have lost friends and influenced no one. No wonder most of the world thinks we suck. Thanks to what george bush has done to our country during the past three years, we do!

]]> By: eatbees http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1323 eatbees Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:49:12 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1323 @Yahia — Exactly! I like the Qur'an, I study it, I reflect on what it says. If something in it troubles me (why such angry language? why all the threats?) I try to understand it. I compare and contrast with other value systems, other beliefs. I think this is what God would want us to do. Isn't this why we have intelligence? I think creation is too diverse to say, "One rule for all times, all places, always the same way." I trust God's creation, which is always changing, always evolving, more than any book. If you want to know what God is thinking, go outside and look around! Life too beautiful, too miraculous, to fit in a book of rules. To answer your last question, if we needed perfect agreement to live together, humans would have destroyed each other long ago! @Yahia — Exactly! I like the Qur’an, I study it, I reflect on what it says. If something in it troubles me (why such angry language? why all the threats?) I try to understand it. I compare and contrast with other value systems, other beliefs. I think this is what God would want us to do. Isn’t this why we have intelligence?

I think creation is too diverse to say, “One rule for all times, all places, always the same way.” I trust God’s creation, which is always changing, always evolving, more than any book. If you want to know what God is thinking, go outside and look around! Life too beautiful, too miraculous, to fit in a book of rules.

To answer your last question, if we needed perfect agreement to live together, humans would have destroyed each other long ago!

]]> By: Liosliath http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1321 Liosliath Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:19:58 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1321 Hm, I like your killing analogy - I used to play with them, now they just sicken me. My father still tries to trick them sometimes - particularly Jehovah's Witnesses that visit. Hm, I like your killing analogy – I used to play with them, now they just sicken me. My father still tries to trick them sometimes – particularly Jehovah’s Witnesses that visit.

]]> By: Yahia http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1319 Yahia Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:03:30 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1319 Aah! so say he talked about Coran... I personally believe in the Coran because most of its facts are convincing, but have to admit that some things are still confusing in it, and don't accept them as-is. For the gay people, I think we shouldn't, because one isn't responsible for its genetics nor for its education whether received from his parents or external environment. This takes us very deep Eatbees... All in all, I do believe in my 'stuff' without convincing others. I also think that even two close persons, married why not, can have different beliefs and live with that. What about you? Aah! so say he talked about Coran…
I personally believe in the Coran because most of its facts are convincing, but have to admit that some things are still confusing in it, and don’t accept them as-is.
For the gay people, I think we shouldn’t, because one isn’t responsible for its genetics nor for its education whether received from his parents or external environment.
This takes us very deep Eatbees… All in all, I do believe in my ‘stuff’ without convincing others.
I also think that even two close persons, married why not, can have different beliefs and live with that.
What about you?

]]> By: eatbees http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1308 eatbees Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:37:25 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1308 @Yahia — Just to be clear, this is not "my" question. I found it in the comments to a post by Nadia of Agadir, defending the humanity of a friend of hers who is gay. The commenter was saying that he believes being gay is against nature and against religion, and he asked his question rhetorically—meaning he already "knew" the answer. He was saying, "What is the point of my believing in the Qur'an if I don't also believe it applies to everyone?" I don't agree with him. That's why I put the question here, to see what others might have to say. I'm sorry if I didn't make the context clear, so it came off as too general. It is really a question about imposing one's "value system" on others. Should we condemn gays (or Muslims, or people who tell jokes) just because we, ourselves, wouldn't do this? Can we still "believe" without trying to convince others? @Yahia — Just to be clear, this is not “my” question. I found it in the comments to a post by Nadia of Agadir, defending the humanity of a friend of hers who is gay. The commenter was saying that he believes being gay is against nature and against religion, and he asked his question rhetorically—meaning he already “knew” the answer. He was saying, “What is the point of my believing in the Qur’an if I don’t also believe it applies to everyone?”

I don’t agree with him. That’s why I put the question here, to see what others might have to say. I’m sorry if I didn’t make the context clear, so it came off as too general. It is really a question about imposing one’s “value system” on others. Should we condemn gays (or Muslims, or people who tell jokes) just because we, ourselves, wouldn’t do this? Can we still “believe” without trying to convince others?

]]> By: Yahia http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1307 Yahia Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:11:09 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1307 Well well, first thanks for your answer. Now for mine, I'll have to say the question is very very wide. Also, I don't see what's the point of asking it. Maybe you should find out why you're asking this to yourself before trying to aswer? But for me anyways, I don't believe in any universality (maybe I don't _get_ the word as I should). I believe in one thing because I'm personally convinced with it. I stick with it, but -- I believe -- I am always open for discussion. So finally, I think it's possible to believe in sth when you don't believe in its universality. Each human is unique, and because everything we think of, every choice or decision we make, it's always guided by subjectivity. Well well, first thanks for your answer.
Now for mine, I’ll have to say the question is very very wide. Also, I don’t see what’s the point of asking it.
Maybe you should find out why you’re asking this to yourself before trying to aswer?

But for me anyways, I don’t believe in any universality (maybe I don’t _get_ the word as I should). I believe in one thing because I’m personally convinced with it. I stick with it, but — I believe — I am always open for discussion.

So finally, I think it’s possible to believe in sth when you don’t believe in its universality. Each human is unique, and because everything we think of, every choice or decision we make, it’s always guided by subjectivity.

]]> By: eatbees http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1289 eatbees Mon, 15 Jan 2007 05:28:57 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1289 @Kenza—"Hated" is too strong a word, of course. I enjoyed writing the "Five Truths" (like a Maoist manifesto) but you should know that I'm the kind of person who enjoys going against the crowd (that isn't #6, many people know it). I didn't own a pair of jeans until I was about 20 (that's #6) for exactly that reason. You just got caught in the trap! No need to apologize, for you it was a pleasure. @Liosliath—"Isreality"? I see your point, these people ARE icky. On the other hand, they can be fun to play with, like a cat plays with a mouse before killing it. I once invited two Mormon missionaries into my house, and turned the tables on them. "Have you ever read any Buddhist scriptures? The Baghavad Gita? There are so many great scriptures, it's hard to know where to begin!" They soon realized they were in over their heads, and moved anxiously to the door. @Kenza—”Hated” is too strong a word, of course. I enjoyed writing the “Five Truths” (like a Maoist manifesto) but you should know that I’m the kind of person who enjoys going against the crowd (that isn’t #6, many people know it). I didn’t own a pair of jeans until I was about 20 (that’s #6) for exactly that reason. You just got caught in the trap! No need to apologize, for you it was a pleasure.

@Liosliath—”Isreality”? I see your point, these people ARE icky. On the other hand, they can be fun to play with, like a cat plays with a mouse before killing it. I once invited two Mormon missionaries into my house, and turned the tables on them. “Have you ever read any Buddhist scriptures? The Baghavad Gita? There are so many great scriptures, it’s hard to know where to begin!” They soon realized they were in over their heads, and moved anxiously to the door.

]]> By: Liosliath http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1287 Liosliath Mon, 15 Jan 2007 04:52:06 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1287 Issues? Perhaps. I also can't stand organizations like these - http://www.c4israel.org/. No, my parents weren't missionaries, and I've never dated any, ew. OK, I've met one missionary I liked, but I think that was a fluke. (and it was a female roommate, not a romantic partner) Have YOU participated in any missionary activities, hm? As for my own beliefs, I'm more of an agnostic theist than anything - simply because the existence of God can't be proven. I see evidence of him every day, but it's not scientific. Issues? Perhaps. I also can’t stand organizations like these – http://www.c4israel.org/. No, my parents weren’t missionaries, and I’ve never dated any, ew. OK, I’ve met one missionary I liked, but I think that was a fluke. (and it was a female roommate, not a romantic partner) Have YOU participated in any missionary activities, hm?

As for my own beliefs, I’m more of an agnostic theist than anything – simply because the existence of God can’t be proven. I see evidence of him every day, but it’s not scientific.

]]> By: Kenza http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1286 Kenza Mon, 15 Jan 2007 04:20:39 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1286 Hi eatbees and thanks for playing the game even though you hated it (sorry I didn't know, I found it fun to do and just wanted to share :) ) as for your question woooo it is tough I'll try something but in french La foi n'a jamais été quelque chose de 100% rationnel, quand on commence à croire à son universalité alors on la fixe, on la fige et elle ne peut plus vivre. les croyances, la foi en quelque sorte doit rester libre de cette fixité, elle doit être confrontée aux doutes, aux autres croyances, aux différentes réalités et c'est juste de cette manière qu'elle peut ou se renforcer, ou évoluer ou mourire. Ceci dit lorsqu'elle reste figé comme une vérité universelle à ne plus discuté, elle pert sa notion de croyance et devient (du fait qu'elle ne découle pas de la rationnalité) une pseudo vérité que l'on subit et que l'on fait subir en lui enlevant ce qui en faisait la substance. c'est toujours aussi interessant de te lire et puis merci de me compter parmi tes amis :) Hi eatbees and thanks for playing the game even though you hated it (sorry I didn’t know, I found it fun to do and just wanted to share :) )

as for your question woooo it is tough

I’ll try something but in french

La foi n’a jamais été quelque chose de 100% rationnel, quand on commence à croire à son universalité alors on la fixe, on la fige et elle ne peut plus vivre.

les croyances, la foi en quelque sorte doit rester libre de cette fixité, elle doit être confrontée aux doutes, aux autres croyances, aux différentes réalités et c’est juste de cette manière qu’elle peut ou se renforcer, ou évoluer ou mourire. Ceci dit lorsqu’elle reste figé comme une vérité universelle à ne plus discuté, elle pert sa notion de croyance et devient (du fait qu’elle ne découle pas de la rationnalité) une pseudo vérité que l’on subit et que l’on fait subir en lui enlevant ce qui en faisait la substance.

c’est toujours aussi interessant de te lire et puis merci de me compter parmi tes amis :)

]]> By: eatbees http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/comment-page-1/#comment-1285 eatbees Mon, 15 Jan 2007 03:35:41 +0000 http://www.eatbees.com/blog/2007/01/14/five-things-and-a-question/#comment-1285 Hey, I scored a "twofer"!! Hey, I scored a “twofer”!!

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