The following is from an IM conversation I had a couple of nights ago with my friend Doga, who has already contributed two articles to this blog, here and here.
eatbees: I sent you an e-mail that presents two points of view on political reform in Morocco. They were part of an interesting discussion on Larbi’s blog. I see that there are those who don’t want democracy to advance too quickly in Morocco, because they are afraid the Islamists will take over everything. They say that Moroccans aren’t ready to make a good judgment, since there are so many illiterates and so on.
The other side says that Morocco doesn’t have time to wait. But there is still the question, why has the Left abandoned the field to the Islamists on social and reform issues? Why are the Islamists the only ones to propose serious constitutional reforms?
doga: For the first group, the ones that don’t want democracy to move quickly—normally, they are people who support the State.
eatbees: Maybe. But certain elites who think they are progressive end up supporting the State out of fear of the Islamists.
doga: The Left has grown fragmented, and it is fragile because its forces have begun to split up. That’s due to personality conflicts.
eatbees: So there’s no hope for 2007? For the Leftists, I mean.
doga: Frankly, there is no Left in Morocco today. As far as I’m concerned, it no longer exists.
eatbees: In my e-mail, I quote a comment from a sincere Muslim—I won’t say an Islamist, I think he’s simply an ordinary Muslim—who speaks clearly about popular desperation, which he says the elites are unable to see. Another man responds to him, “Anyone but the Islamists!” The second man says there are NGOs presenting a program of reforms from a Leftist point of view, and we need to support them. Neither man supports the State, not without major reforms.
Meanwhile, there are also people involved in the debate from what I’ll call the neo-Makhzen point of view. They say that the king and his men are more competent than anyone else, and Morocco is advancing fast enough. I can see how this might appeal to educated professionals, members of the middle class who are afraid of the Islamists but love democratic principles. What do you say to them?
doga: I think we need to give the Islamists a chance. We can have confidence in their program, because I don’t think anything they’re saying contradicts democracy. I wonder why no one discusses or analyzes their proposals. Most people who criticize the Islamists do so simply because they are Islamists. In this view, there is no reason to even discuss the Islamist proposals, because they think they already know what the Islamists are thinking. I say no, we need to analyze what they are saying and proposing.
eatbees: Maybe the people of Casa, Rabat, and even Fez are cut off from their roots in popular culture? They think the majority, le Maroc profond, can be easily manipulated out of ignorance. If that happens, they are worried that all the advances the country has made will turn out to be built on sand. How can you reassure those people?
doga: You say that the middle class is afraid of the Islamists, but frankly, a lot of Islamists come from the middle class!
eatbees: To me, it looks like the majority of Moroccan intellectuals aren’t really comfortable with the Islamists. For example, Aboubakr Jemaï thinks that Islamist gains are inevitable as a result of the weakness of the political class, but he isn’t happy about it. So how would you reassure such people? Either they say that a lot of progress has already been made since Mohammed VI took the throne, and we just need to be patient, or they admit there are serious problems, but they want to close the door on the Islamists. Illiteracy must be defeated, and economic growth assured, before democracy can work.
doga: Tell me, why aren’t the bloggers comfortable with the Islamists?
eatbees: Maybe they think the Islamists are benefiting from a bad situation, but haven’t really earned the right. It’s the result of popular ignorance, desperation, and the weakness of the political class, like I said.
doga: I don’t think Palestine is the only Arab country without ignorance!
eatbees: I don’t think these people want to repeat the Palestinian experience. I’m not sure they trust Hamas. If I saw conservative Christians ready to take over, here in the U.S., I wouldn’t be happy either. So do you agree or not that Islamism in Morocco is a backward way of thinking?
doga: We mustn’t call everything Islamist “conservative.” I don’t think they want to make a big deal about whether women wear the hejab or not. I don’t think they’re going to interfere with individual choice.
eatbees: But don’t you think a certain intolerance could start to contaminate the discourse? Maybe we’ll see a “witch hunt” against certain types of films, or bars and discos, or fancy cafes where young men take their dates. Maybe they’ll stir up resentment among the poor for everything they can’t have. I think that’s the real fear!
doga: What I don’t accept is that people are against everything that comes from Islam! If they aren’t ready to discuss or negotiate their ideas with faithful Muslims….
eatbees: I think it’s fair to say that intellectuals, even the ones who follow Islam, are very sensitive about other people dictating what they should or shouldn’t do, or should or shouldn’t believe, or whether or not they should fast for Ramadan. The State mustn’t interfere with personal religious values.
doga: I agree. Islamists should inform others, not impose their views.
eatbees: It’s good that you have strong views about this, and frankly, I think I agree with you for the most part. I hope you can write an article for the blog to help explain what the Islamists are proposing, and defend it. But to do that, you’ll need to take into account the arguments coming from the other side. You can do this better than I can, because you have more at stake in the outcome.
doga: Okay, I’ll try.
Below are translations of the two comments I mentioned in my conversation with Doga. The French originals can be found at the end of this article on Larbi’s blog.
36—oneway. As a Moroccan concerned about the situation (Mohammed VI after seven years of rule) I wanted to give my opinion (even if no one asked for it). In general I am against an absolute monarchy (like we have in Morocco) because it is a form of power that gives too much authority to the head of state, and human nature in this type of situation tends to abuses (desire to enrich oneself, remaining in power through committing injustices). Hassan II and Mohammed VI (I’m speaking of those two monarchs because they are the best known, and the ones whose actions are the most publicized) haven’t escaped this. They have committed numerous injustices, leaving this country slogging through the mud, a situation which hasn’t gotten any better even today.
I won’t examine yet again all the aspects of the monarchy in Morocco, but I would like to comment on certain points which have been brought up in previous readers’ comments. Amine for example speaks about the fact that our king isn’t like other rulers, that he has all the time he needs to realize his objectives. But Moroccans who live in misery, can they wait? Those poor people who live in deplorable conditions, can they wait indefinitely? No. In fact, the situation is a good deal more complicated than that. Things are moving too quickly for us to wait. Other countries with fewer resources than us have developed faster. The more we wait, the more the situation becomes difficult given the international context. Our economy suffers, and Moroccans as well, and that can’t wait any longer. Amine adds that without El Himma [Delegate Minister to Interior, the king’s right-hand man], the security in which Moroccans are currently living wouldn’t exist. But I say that if our dear leaders had done a better job, there would be nothing to worry about. Their policies have pushed people into despair. Those who blew themselves up on May 16 [2003, in a series of attacks in Casablanca] were the victims of this system (no education or very little, marginalized, living in shantytowns). So in my opinion, we need to start saying whatever has to be said, and no longer justify the despicable actions of those who lead this country.
A final comment regarding what was said about protocol. The king moves from place to place without bothering anyone? Do you ever turn on the television? When the king moves around, there are enormous security forces around him, and I can tell you that roadblocks, and unhapppy cops standing miles from the route all day long, aren’t a thing of the past. As far as kissing the king’s hand is concerned, I believe this practice should be reserved for those who truly deserve it (such as our parents).
I believe that the overall situation is drastic, but we have the tendency to forget or pretend not to see anything. Our leaders are rotten, our political class is rotten (and I say bravo to the leaders, good job of looking after their interests), and the mentalities of Moroccans leave a lot to be desired so as not to be rotten too. I sincerely believe that Moroccans deserve their leaders. If we are governed by petty incompetents, that must be because we don’t deserve any better. This is a paraphrase of what is written in the Qur’an, by the way, and as a Muslim who believes that the words of the Qur’an are applicable to all eras, I strongly believe that. In my opinion, before speaking of Mohammed VI, of El Himma, of El Fassi & Co. [the Independence Party leader, scion of a famous political family], it would be better to start by criticizing ourselves. Given time, if we better ourselves, we will have better leaders.
39—Yessir78. Hello, everyone. I also want to give my opinion even if no one asked for it. I want to say that I’m in the ABI camp (anyone but the Islamists). I don’t mean that as an insult, but in life it’s necessary to take a stand.
I start from the following premises. Everyone agrees that in 2007 there will be an Islamist tidal wave in the legislative elections. Everyone knows that the PJD [the Islamist party] will run away with the elections. Yet many observers insist that the weight of the PJD is nothing compared to that of the organization Al Adl Wal Ihsan. Indeed, if we add the two (PJD + Yessine) we will see that a very large part of public opinion has been won over to their Islamic theses.
Why is this? Because the Left and the other parties have disappointed. Because other than the Islamists, no one in Morocco is talking about the problem of the distribution of power. The Islamists fill the void and occupy the terrain.
What must we do? The solution is to not leave these democratic demands to the Islamists alone. Civil society in Morocco has understood that very well. Five Moroccan NGOs are calling for constitutional reforms and a fair distribution of power.
Who are these NGOs? For the first time in the history of our country, a call for constitutional reform is not being led by supporters of a Castro-style putsch, or a Khomeini-style Islamic state. [A list of five progressive NGOs is given.] These organizations have launched a call to revise the constitution. Rather than leaving a void for the Islamists and related groups to fill, get involved and support this type of initiative by people who are open to society and the world.